I am bipolar and everything you say in your videos seems very true. When I was on like a 4 month manic episode I thought I was God and was on top of the world. When I was in the hospital I thought I was shooting a movie everytime. It is a very interesting feeling, I thought/did predict everything that was going to happen. I wonder sometimes if so called delusions gives us a hint of what the afterlife is like? I also stopped taking all medicine and seem normal again…hmmm
@orkishiswithk No, that’s not the main purpose at all. I haven’t gone after psychiatry much. Instead, I’ve chosen to present another model and I’ll let those who gravitate to it, do so. Fighting takes too much energy…
@bipolarorwakingup is it really that the main purpose of the series of videos was just to contradict the ‘chemical imbalance’ attitude?
i never watched the videos from that point of view (maybe because no one has ever tried to medicate me), and i would say the videos are still interesting for several other points that you make.
@bipolarorwakingup lol, amazing that you seem to understand precisely what i was trying to say, even no matter if you agree or not.
i also seem to understand it more clearly myself now, and i think i could put it much shorter.
lack of attributed spiritual meaning does not make the experience disappear.
@orkishiswithk For many people in the experiences, they are inherently mystical as direct experience. It is a sensation of ‘death’ or ‘god’, or ‘evil’ etc…that overwhelms you. However, for those who don’t see it that way (or entirely that way) I agree…no need to lay on a layer of spiritual interpretation if that does not reflect your direct experience. Many people see their psychosis as having some spiritual aspects, but not a totally spiritual experience.
@bipolarorwakingup here we seem to have clarified the differences in our preferences.
i am not saying that the experiences should be invalidated, i am saying that without attributing metaphysical meanings, getting to those experiences can be much less confusing.
if a metaphysical or spiritual meaning is attributed to something, it very quickly becomes a colossal pseudo-rational construct where the original experience ‘as it is’ becomes somewhat lost in my opinion.
@bipolarorwakingup for my own practical reasons, i am currently concerned with people attributing metaphysical meaning to insignificant minor details that they have not experienced or just not noticed before.
so, it is about minor details causing confusion along the way before the interesting experience (not after).
and usually the goal of the dramatization is to reach the ‘how terrible’ type of ego-stroking.
minor detail with metaphysical meaning can cause big panic.
@orkishiswithk Cont’d….#3 As I mentioned in the video..the ego-death feels like a real death, you will not know the difference. If that ego-death occurs, the disorder should be able to heal, and any ego inflation will dissipate.
@orkishiswithk Cont’d….the key is to validate the spiritual aspects, accepting them as they appear to your own experience, but then continuing the non-ordinary state process in a supportive environment. If that can happen, the person in psychosis will reach a point where he must make in inner decision involving the death of his current ego.
@orkishiswithk That’s a good one. And you are correct, as I stated in the video, some people have the spiritual experience and it simply ‘sticks’ to their ego, leaving them stuck in the disorder. However, skepticism of the spiritual validity of the experience will only invalidate what is experienced by the person going through it. And once invalidation occurs, depression and a lifetime of meds is usually not far behind. cont….
yeah, many experiences that are described in religions make people want to say something most extremely positive about them, and i would not blame them.
however, i would rather find it beneficial to avoid attributing metaphysical, mystical and spiritual meanings, because it is easy to start stroking ego that way.
and if ego can be stroked, there is motivation to throw common sense out of the window and start dramatizing.
what about a healthy degree of skepticism instead?
@daddymocean I had the same purgatory psychosis when I was ill with Pneumonia, sleep deprived and with drawl from drugs. It was so real and lasted for weeks and after I felt really better and renewed
@spaceage614 I use ‘delusions’ because that’s what most people know them as, that’s all. I’m not being judgemental about it. Mind you, many of these experiences (like me thinking I was dead) are not factually true, but reflect a deeper truth that is happening within us, like the awakeing of our Christ consciousness.
Man, you are watching EVERYTHING today! Thanks.
Sean
I thought I was the messais in my first psychosis. In my last I thought I was a secret agent. Everytime I think I am something special and I have special meaning to the world. That something special is about to happen if I just follow my intuition. This way I was wandering in citys without any direction. Just walking and cycling to nowhere till eventually I did something crazy and the police got me. What does this mean?
I also discovered that in those states you cannot question the expereince – looking back I realise that is because the spirit is beyond doubt and question.
under a rock and I am there – or whatever it was he said. I also thought I was a bhudda, and a reincarnation of Jesus. I understand what it all means now for when it happens next time – don’t try and explain the indescripable because people will think you are bonkers – well they did with me.
I had an up episode last year and got locked away by the police! Bastards! I was laughing alot – I dont think they are used to happy people. I would of appeared to be delusional – when they asked me my name I said I was Thor! And that I lived on Penny Lane! I really didn’t understand. I think when you are in that state your brain doesnt see labels – everything is basically the same. You dont see that you are different than other beings – hence the mix ups. Its like what Jesus says – find me
When I was experiencing psychosis, I was in jail, and I thought I was dead, and the jail was some sort of purgatory. I went through many of these steps you describe. Luckily I have found your videos and am better able to understand what I went through. Thank You!!!
amazing how he knows this the first time i went thru psychosis i thought i was dead and that i was walking around ant that nobody could see me and then i heard the voice of god telling me to go outside wow
Sounds like when I too mushrooms.
I am bipolar and everything you say in your videos seems very true. When I was on like a 4 month manic episode I thought I was God and was on top of the world. When I was in the hospital I thought I was shooting a movie everytime. It is a very interesting feeling, I thought/did predict everything that was going to happen. I wonder sometimes if so called delusions gives us a hint of what the afterlife is like? I also stopped taking all medicine and seem normal again…hmmm
@orkishiswithk No, that’s not the main purpose at all. I haven’t gone after psychiatry much. Instead, I’ve chosen to present another model and I’ll let those who gravitate to it, do so. Fighting takes too much energy…
@bipolarorwakingup is it really that the main purpose of the series of videos was just to contradict the ‘chemical imbalance’ attitude?
i never watched the videos from that point of view (maybe because no one has ever tried to medicate me), and i would say the videos are still interesting for several other points that you make.
@orkishiswithk And if you are looking for a pseudo rational construct, dismissing the whole thing as a ´chemical imbalance´ is just that.
@bipolarorwakingup lol, amazing that you seem to understand precisely what i was trying to say, even no matter if you agree or not.
i also seem to understand it more clearly myself now, and i think i could put it much shorter.
lack of attributed spiritual meaning does not make the experience disappear.
@orkishiswithk For many people in the experiences, they are inherently mystical as direct experience. It is a sensation of ‘death’ or ‘god’, or ‘evil’ etc…that overwhelms you. However, for those who don’t see it that way (or entirely that way) I agree…no need to lay on a layer of spiritual interpretation if that does not reflect your direct experience. Many people see their psychosis as having some spiritual aspects, but not a totally spiritual experience.
@bipolarorwakingup here we seem to have clarified the differences in our preferences.
i am not saying that the experiences should be invalidated, i am saying that without attributing metaphysical meanings, getting to those experiences can be much less confusing.
if a metaphysical or spiritual meaning is attributed to something, it very quickly becomes a colossal pseudo-rational construct where the original experience ‘as it is’ becomes somewhat lost in my opinion.
@bipolarorwakingup for my own practical reasons, i am currently concerned with people attributing metaphysical meaning to insignificant minor details that they have not experienced or just not noticed before.
so, it is about minor details causing confusion along the way before the interesting experience (not after).
and usually the goal of the dramatization is to reach the ‘how terrible’ type of ego-stroking.
minor detail with metaphysical meaning can cause big panic.
@orkishiswithk Cont’d….#3 As I mentioned in the video..the ego-death feels like a real death, you will not know the difference. If that ego-death occurs, the disorder should be able to heal, and any ego inflation will dissipate.
@orkishiswithk Cont’d….the key is to validate the spiritual aspects, accepting them as they appear to your own experience, but then continuing the non-ordinary state process in a supportive environment. If that can happen, the person in psychosis will reach a point where he must make in inner decision involving the death of his current ego.
@orkishiswithk That’s a good one. And you are correct, as I stated in the video, some people have the spiritual experience and it simply ‘sticks’ to their ego, leaving them stuck in the disorder. However, skepticism of the spiritual validity of the experience will only invalidate what is experienced by the person going through it. And once invalidation occurs, depression and a lifetime of meds is usually not far behind. cont….
yeah, many experiences that are described in religions make people want to say something most extremely positive about them, and i would not blame them.
however, i would rather find it beneficial to avoid attributing metaphysical, mystical and spiritual meanings, because it is easy to start stroking ego that way.
and if ego can be stroked, there is motivation to throw common sense out of the window and start dramatizing.
what about a healthy degree of skepticism instead?
thank you
@daddymocean I had the same purgatory psychosis when I was ill with Pneumonia, sleep deprived and with drawl from drugs. It was so real and lasted for weeks and after I felt really better and renewed
@spaceage614 I use ‘delusions’ because that’s what most people know them as, that’s all. I’m not being judgemental about it. Mind you, many of these experiences (like me thinking I was dead) are not factually true, but reflect a deeper truth that is happening within us, like the awakeing of our Christ consciousness.
Man, you are watching EVERYTHING today! Thanks.
Sean
im not sure why hes calling all of these delusions if it happened it happened
I thought I was the messais in my first psychosis. In my last I thought I was a secret agent. Everytime I think I am something special and I have special meaning to the world. That something special is about to happen if I just follow my intuition. This way I was wandering in citys without any direction. Just walking and cycling to nowhere till eventually I did something crazy and the police got me. What does this mean?
psychiatry is another self chosen scam
I also discovered that in those states you cannot question the expereince – looking back I realise that is because the spirit is beyond doubt and question.
under a rock and I am there – or whatever it was he said. I also thought I was a bhudda, and a reincarnation of Jesus. I understand what it all means now for when it happens next time – don’t try and explain the indescripable because people will think you are bonkers – well they did with me.
I had an up episode last year and got locked away by the police! Bastards! I was laughing alot – I dont think they are used to happy people. I would of appeared to be delusional – when they asked me my name I said I was Thor! And that I lived on Penny Lane! I really didn’t understand. I think when you are in that state your brain doesnt see labels – everything is basically the same. You dont see that you are different than other beings – hence the mix ups. Its like what Jesus says – find me
Yes, this group of experiences seems to come together for a lot of people!
When I was experiencing psychosis, I was in jail, and I thought I was dead, and the jail was some sort of purgatory. I went through many of these steps you describe. Luckily I have found your videos and am better able to understand what I went through. Thank You!!!
amazing how he knows this the first time i went thru psychosis i thought i was dead and that i was walking around ant that nobody could see me and then i heard the voice of god telling me to go outside wow